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It's Thursday, and I've gone from starting the week with a cushion to have the schedule strung out behind me. As I said at the start of the week,I'm taking a look at what can be changed.

In particular, I think I have to say that it's MOARMU that trips me up. It's frequently the last thing I write in a day, and if I try to hold myself to writing it earlier I end up not getting to the stuff after it.

When I first started it, my hope was that being less invested in the character than I am in Mackenzie would make it easier to write, but with how many times it's ground to a halt, I think the opposite is true. I just don't have the character down as well as I do her. It takes me longer to write a shorter story with him. Having a challenge, stretching myself as a writer, etc. is a good thing to do sometimes, but my satisfaction doesn't equal your enjoyment if it doesn't result in words on the page, does it?

If I get stuck on a character's viewpoint in Void Dogs or Star Harbor, I can flip around to somebody else and then come back (and when I remember that I can do that, it's much easier to do multiple updates a week). MOARMU doesn't work that way.

I haven't wanted to face this because my goal was to have the two stories following parallel tracks; MOARMU is coming up from behind as it is, so updating it less often than the parent series would just make it fall further and further behind.

So, I'm thinking I'm either going to have to change the schedule or the format or both. I haven't decided where to go with this. I don't want to abandon the characters and the plotlines I have in mind, but following the skirmish match it may go from the day to day story of Jamie's life at MU to an anthology of important episodes in his life at MU (more like a traditional novel) or maybe even a mosaic of interlocking serials from different peoples' point of view; after the skirmish match, change to another character, come back to Jamie for the dance, etc. It is, after all, "More Tales of MU", not "Jamie's Tales of MU".

I know there are people who prefer MOAR to the original recipe MU and this might disappoint them; on the other hand, for those who prefer it because it gives a wider view of the world, maybe making it a mosaic story would make it even better. In any event, there are still significantly fewer people reading MOAR than reading the original, and with more frequent updates, the audiences for Void Dogs and Star Harbor are creeping up towards MOAR's levels; cutting back on my commitment to telling Jamie's story will allow me to nurture those.

I don't know. I'm thinking about it. For now, I'm going to strike the remaining Mores off this week's schedule and finish everything else that's on it.

Edit-dendum:

Good feedback. I'm hearing a lot of people endorsing the mosaic idea and a lot of people saying they don't want to lose Jamie or see his plotlines left hanging. I guess I can clarify a little that giving him the axe (doesn't he already have that?) is not in the cards... what I'm looking at is ways to keep the story going forward when it keeps threatening to die on me. :P To the people who are saying that they would rather have more sporadic updates of Jamie's story than lose it... that's pretty much what the mosaic would be, except for the fact that during the times it's "sporadic", there would be something else to read.

I'm probably going to end up doing a combination of the things that have been mentioned. The mosaic focus would come around to Jamie when something interesting/important is going on from his side, and then move to somebody else when it isn't, so if you read Jamie's stories it would be a bit more novel-ish.

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I like MOARMU, and Jamie's a great character, but honestly, I would love to read more about Marlot. She seems so fiesty and her sharp wit is amusing.

I like more and starharbor

[info]akailaughingman

2009-02-19 06:19 pm (UTC)

the best!

write what you like, when you like. if more takes ten years to finish, I won't give a duck.

I think that Jamie is a fun character and I like MoreMU, but I certainly would like to see more stuff from other people's perspectives.

If it's between "no more MOAR" and "differently formatted MOAR" I'll go with the latter, but I love Jamie and I'd be sad to lose out on a frequent dose of his perspectives. :(

That said, and depending on interest (this is where a poll might be a good plan), could you perhaps swap off MU and MOAR - like, three MU/two MOAR one week, and vice versa the next? Or would that not get you caught up as fast/run you intot he same problems?

My vote, worth every electron it is printed on, is that you write from viewpoints other than Jamie's. I see More Tales of MU as the non-Harlow residents' experience of MU. While I personally enjoy More Tales of MU, I'd rather it go away than your other stories get shorted.

I like Moar but I like original recipe MU better. It doesn't bother me if I miss a couple Moars (which I do because of Iason, he/Jaime's reaction to him annoy the ever lovin bejeesus out of me). I'd hate to see Moar disappear forever but as far as style/schedule changes I have no suggestions.

I like the idea of making MoreMU less Jamie orientated. It's nice to see the Harlow crowd from another perspective, and I'd like to see more of the MU in general, making it more "more different tales of MU" than "more MU from the perspective of only one character". Then limit the Other Tales/bonus stories on Tales of MU to just ones of backstory (of characters, before they got to MU), and things like creation myths, fables, legends, histories, world building type things really.

Honestly my favorite of your on going stories is Void Dogs. But as far as More Tales of MU is concerned I've found myself more attached to Jamie as a character; Mack is... too naive and sometimes makes me very frustrated to watch her totally getting thing wrong which are painfully obvious. When Jamie makes a fax pas it's out of ignorance to something he has not been exposed to, not misinterpreting the information he's presented with. That makes him a more "real" character to me. I really enjoy seeing MU from his point of view; and don't want to see it change. But as I stated before I really enjoy Void Dogs where the perspective constantly changes... so perhaps it would be nice to see some other characters represented more often like your "Other Tales" as you taken to calling them now. But really the idea of two concurrent stories fascinates me and I'd LOVE to see both Mack and Jamie "at the same time" so to speak. I know you are working to catch up from behind, but I think the end result would be worth it even if its another year or more before they are both "on the same page."

Sorry for the total wall of text; especially coming from a total unknown. I don't normally log in to LJ or post comments to the web comics/series which I read; but I still really enjoy reading your work!

aaaaap.

Damn I was loving Jamie as a character so much.

At this point, I'm still preferring MOARMU to regMU. I'd hate to see it go away. I don't care if it falls farther behind, I just plain like the story.

Same. Jamie and crew, despite Iason, are really enjoyable to me.

I really enjoy More Tales a lot. It is my favorite of your stories and they one I follow more closely. I really hope you keep it going.
I think it is because I can relate to Jamie's point of view far better than Macks, but that is going to be different for everybody.

If you do change the format so it is written from multiple points of view I still think I would really enjoy that though.

Keep up the good work and don't get discouraged.

I like MOAR, I find it useful in seeing MU from another side, but it still doesn't feel completely human to be, because well, Jamie isn't fully human is he? I'd hate to see it go away, but any other changes you want to make would be fine by me. Would be interesting to see it from other points of view, and fast forwarding wouldn't bother me much either.

MOARMU is definitely my preferred storyline (and I really like Jamie), but you should do whatever's right for you as a writer.

It would make me sad if MOARMU went away entirely, so my preference would be for you to find a way to keep doing it, at whatever pace and whatever way works for you.

To be honest, I find Jamie obnoxious, and really only read MOAR for the expanded view of the MUniverse. I read the updates, but rarely go back to re-read a chapter like I do with ToMU. I really like the "skipping around to different characters' viewpoints" idea. Unless the next 8 months are going to be from Iason's POV.. then I might stop reading it altogether.

I adore both MU and MOARMU, and I love seeing other character's viewpoints as well. If you feel you *must* cut MOARMU then I guess I'd like to still see Jamie's viewpoint of major episodes (like the gladiator match, for instance), but I am *dying* to know what happens to him WRT Iason.

Same here. Please resolve this plotline.

It's really nice to get different points of view on essentially the same events. I'm not sure I could say I prefer MoarMU over ToMU, but I'd definitely miss it if it would just go away. However, I don't mind whether you keep it the way it is, updating "in details" and lagging behind, or just doing bigger leaps like in a serial novel, and I think it would also be nice if you go through with your mosaic idea and tell MoarMU from several different points of view. I just think it is important that you do not let it become a second "Other Tales of MU"; i.e. keep to some central characters, as Marlot, Barley and Violet (apart from Jamie, of course).

I strongly second that. I would hate to lose the story line. I'd rather wait a few more days and have it staying one story. Different view points would be nice, just not too many.

I would be fine with switching around to other characters' POV, personally. I like Jamie, but seeing things through his eyes can sometimes be frustrating or even infuriating, especially when he gives his opinion of Mackenzie, seeing as how I've had a lot more time to get to like her. Mack's got her own hangups, sure, but Jamie's just completely blind to a lot of stuff.

...which I guess is kind of the point. But yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing stuff written from the POV of other people in his circle (Marlot, Violet, Pala, even Barley) or other MU students entirely. Sometimes I need a break from Jamie, too. Plus it might allow you to jump around a little more -- MOAR's still in the first few weeks, after all, while ToMU's edging up on winter.

In the end, really, keep writing what you want and I'll keep reading. I've enjoyed everything you've put out for MU so far, even if certain characters piss me the hell off sometimes.

Jamie is a jerk whenever Mack is around, which leads me to hate him. But other than that, I actually like him, if not his relationships.

I'm really liking the story arc right now, but I would appreciate a more traditional novel format - and this seems an appropriate place to put the MU interludes, too.

On that note, I like seeing how Mack is perceived by the other folks on campus. I mean, his opinion of her is flavored by a lot of unfortunate events--he DID give her a try when he first met her.

But I feel like, at least lately, Jamie is a more fleshed-out character than Mack (sometimes)--and it's nice to have plotlines with at least vague resolutions, rather than tons of plotlines piling up one behind the other.

I'd love to see things from other perspectives... You've done it briefly in MU, so I see no reason why it wouldn't work for MOARMU...
Ideas of people's PoV I'd like to "see" things from:
Iason
Marlot
Puddy
Violet (THAT should be interesting!)
Ian
Victor
Random Normal Human as yet un-named...
Maybe even some of the teachers or other faculty.
You've done a great job with Jamie so far, but there are many other well-formed characters in your stories who may have a very unique perspective on things!
Just my opinion, as a reader! I love your writing... I check 3-8 times a day (depending on how busy I am!) for updates!
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"Random Normal Human as yet un-named"
First, define normal.
I would actually like to see a character that most people would consider normal. That is, heterosexual, not minority, etc. I honestly don't feel like I can identify with any of the characters in either story. Problem is, I doubt they'd stay "normal" very long, what with the situations AE likes to toss out.
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As much as I enjoy MOAR, Jamie can be annoying sometimes. I think the "mosaic" idea is best. It still gives us the other viewpoint without limiting us to Jamie alone. Although I do agree that it should be limited to a certain circle of people, so as to not conflict with your "Other Tales".

FWIW, I like MToMU.

If this is just a question of whether it's to be Jamie's TMU or Various Interlocking TMU... dunno. I think it'd be worth the experiment to try the second. You've got quite a lot of other characters (Iason? Nymphs? Mermaids? Full humans?) who could stand being in the spotlight for a while.

I'd be disappointed not to still see Jamie stories, but I don't see that it has to be an either-or.

Change format - if I had a vote...

[info]tsaman

2009-02-19 08:25 pm (UTC)

If I had a vote - I'd say go with the different viewpoints version of MOARMU....

I've really enjoyed seeing a little more of Pala and her experience while still following a related time/eventline to TOMU...

Just like you're doing with Other Tales... Expanding the MUniverse and fleshing out other characters really weaves the main story tighter...

That's my two cents anyway...

Whatever you decide - I'll still be reading....

Thanks for all the work you do!

I'd love to see it continue as it is, but if it has to go to keep the schedule going, it has to.

The idea of having a mosaic of character viewpoints in MOARMU would be cool too though. Especially if it keeps it from disappearing. If you do go that route, I'm hoping that Jamie remains a major character.

I'd say stick with the format, it's what I love about both stories. I think it would be fine if More got considerably more and more behind the other story and just updateds less.

Another vote for mosaic-format here :-)

You've already experimented with non-Mackenzie POV in ToMU and, of course, Bonus Stories/Other Tales to expand that story with scenes that Mackenzie could never be in a position to relate. I think you're on the right track with the notion that "More Tales" means just that: more of the MUniverse than is even dreamt in Mackenzie's philosophy, much less within her field of view. You need not confine yourself to Jamie's viewpoint and, in fact, I for one would like to read other characters' view of Jamie and his actions (or inactions).

Just as seeing Mackenzie and her crew from Jamie's perspective has been quite revelatory as well as damned interesting, the same could be said for seeing Jamie and Company from other perspectives, especially from those who are in a position to have formed some opinion, however well informed, of both Mackenzie and Jamie. How does Barley perceive them? Or Marlot? Or Honey?

Expanding MoarMU might allow you to introduce a lot of the information that you can only slip in with an Other Tale, and do so within the context of the ongoing story line rather than as a separate and, to some extent, extraneous story.

For those who are interested in Jamie as a character to the same or even greater degree than Mackenzie, you might tag forthcoming MoarMU stories written from his viewpoint as "MoarMU featuring Jamie Bowman" or something along that line.

One last benefit of expanding MoarMU to include other viewpoints or follow other characters: you can mix and match viewpoints within a single chapter, just as you currently do with SHN and VoDo. Write a scene written from Jamie's POV, switch to another POV, alternate the POVs of two characters to show how their takes on a mutual experience differ—the possibilities are intriguing.

So I say, "Much more MoarMU! The MoarMU the merrier!" :D

(I also say, "Thank you, Ma'am! May I have another?")

My sentiments about the alternate perspectives are exactly that. How long would it have taken to get out all the information conveyed in Steff's chapter? Or even Dee's? It seems the perfect way to neatly and efficiently show us, the readers, a portion of the mind of a character.

My own list of characters I'd really like to peer into the minds of includes Violet and Barley, because they have some of the best quirks in the MUniverse, in my opinion; Iason, just to peer into the mind of a half-elf with a little more emotional stability, not to mention to see how he actually thinks; Sooni or Kai, if they actually think in Pax and not Yokano; or maybe a couple of the teachers, like Callahan or Bohd.

One of the reasons I like MoarMU so much is that it allows great room for irony that nobody in the current MUniverse perspective will get. The thing about Barley and clothing, for example, hasn't been commented on by anyone in the MoarMU... social circle? Character network? Whatever you want to call it. Anyway, the readers all know the clothing significance from Amaranth in the other series. Things like that really help to shape the universe into a cohesive whole, I think, and I'd love to see those kinds of parallels continued, no matter whose eyes we're seeing it from.

I also wonder whether More Tales could have the odd third-person perspective, to show how even some of the day-to-day interactions of Mackenzie and Amaranth, or Jamie and Violet, or whoever, to some extent require the internal monologue to fully understand. It'd be a good way to get a partial informational tidbit out, or to show what a conversation looks like from the outside.

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